Ahead of Sunday’s Saudi Arabian Grand Prix this Formula 1 season is looking like McLaren vs. McLaren. Still, defending champion Max Verstappen of Red Bull says he hasn’t lost hope. McLaren drivers Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri are the only ones to consistently have the pace through the first four rounds of the championship.

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Verstappen claimed the conversation was “about everything” and that “people can always see (such things) their own way,” but added that Horner had joined Vermeulen and Marko for the conversation given their united frustration over how the race had unravelled.